Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/21/1997 09:03 AM Senate FIN

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       Testimony  was  heard  from TOM  WILLIAMS  and  ANNALEE                 
       MCCONNELL.    SENATOR   PARNELL  MOVED  Amendment   #1.                 
       SENATOR  ADAMS objected  then  withdrew his  objection.                 
       There  being  no further  objection,  Amendment #1  was                 
       ADOPTED.  Amendment #2  was not offered.   Amendment #3                 
       was held.  SENATOR PARNELL MOVED Amendment #4.  Without                 
       objection, Amendment #4  was ADOPTED.  SB 136  was HELD                 
       for further consideration.                                              
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 136                                                          
  "An Act  relating to the  state budget and  to appropriation                 
  bills."                                                                      
                                                                               
  TOM WILLIAMS, Staff  to Senate  Finance Cochair Sharp,  read                 
  the Sponsor  Statement relating  to SB  136 (copy on  file).                 
  Following is an excerpt of the first and last paragraphs:                    
            "Senate Bill 136 was introduced to clarify current                 
       law, making it  explicit that the Governor  is required                 
       to present all three  of his necessary budget bills  on                 
       December 15 of each year  --an operating budget bill, a                 
       capital  budget  bill,  and  a  mental  health  program                 
       operating/capital budget bill.                                          
            This legislation also  conforms the general budget                 
       submission   provisions   of   AS   37.07.020  to   the                 
       requirement  in AS  37.14.003(a) for a  separate mental                 
       health program bill."                                                   
                                                                               
  MR.  WILLIAMS added that,  according to Legislative Finance,                 
  the last time  a consolidated  capital and operating  budget                 
  bill was submitted to the legislature was in 1983 for FY 84.                 
  The practice since then has been to separate the bills which                 
  has  led  to  substantial  delays  in submitting  a  capital                 
  budget.                                                                      
                                                                               
  The  presence  of  Senators Parnell  and  Donley  was noted.                 
  SENATOR  PARNELL  stated  he  had  amendments  he  would  be                 
  offering.                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS pointed  out that  the practice of  separating                 
  budgets was not new, but had been the past practice of other                 
  governors   regarding  whether   they  were   Republican  or                 
  Democrat.    He suggested  that,  for  SB 136  to  work, the                 
  session would need to be shortened.  He supported voting for                 
  a ninety-day session in addition to SB 136.                                  
                                                                               
  VICE-CHAIR  PHILLIPS  brought up  amendments  in the  files.                 
  SENATOR PARNELL explained Amendment #1.  It would change the                 
  due date for the governor's budget  amendments from the 60th                 
  legislative day to the 45th day.  It was a recommendation of                 
  the  Legislative Finance  Division and  something he  agreed                 
  with because in recent years, the first finance committee to                 
  move  its  budget has  been ready  to  close out  before the                 
  governor's amendments were  provided.  If the  process could                 
  be moved up a little, the first house would be able to close                 
  out  with all  the  budget amendments  in  hand rather  than                 
  getting them up to the last moment.  He MOVED the amendment,                 
  then WITHDREW his motion.                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PARNELL  continued   by  explaining  Amendment  #3.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Currently, the Executive Budget Act requires the agencies to                 
  submit performance reports  to the Office of  Management and                 
  Budget.   The amendment  would say  the performance  reports                 
  would be  available to the legislature.  It would not be the                 
  budget numbers,  simply the performance reports  which cover                 
  how the agencies are accomplishing their mission and goals.                  
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL next described Amendment #4, which specified                 
  January  10 that the summary of performance reports would be                 
  due.                                                                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR   ADAMS   asked  to   hear   the  position   of  the                 
  administration.                                                              
                                                                               
  ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  Director,   Office  of  Management  and                 
  Budget, testified  that  there were  tremendous  numbers  of                 
  improvements  that could be made in  the budget process both                 
  on  the executive and legislative sides.  She was supportive                 
  of  many of the things SB 136 would achieve.  She was in the                 
  process  of making  major changes  to the  mechanics of  the                 
  budget system  which will  allow more  timely production  of                 
  amendments and updates.  In addition to automation, she  was                 
  working  toward drawing in  other information  not currently                 
  provided.   She referred  to past  conferences with  Senator                 
  Parnell, noting that areas such  as performance measures and                 
  future  trend  information  would   be  incorporated.    MS.                 
  MCCONNELL claimed that difficulties exist because the budget                 
  system is poor from  a mechanical standpoint.  It  is highly                 
  manual,  diffuse,  and has  no  ability  to roll  things  up                 
  centrally.                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MCCONNELL continued  her testimony by pointing  out that                 
  an updated six-year  plan was recently delivered  that would                 
  be  helpful  in the  arena of  capital  budget timing.   She                 
  suggested it would be  a good focus for discussion  over the                 
  interim.  A  six-year plan will make it  possible to do each                 
  year's capital budget  more easily because  there will be  a                 
  better overall sense of where the state is headed.                           
                                                                               
  MS. MCCONNELL had concerns with some provisions of the bill.                 
  One was that there had to be an identical bill  between what                 
  was submitted on December 15 and  January 15.  Her reasoning                 
  was  that  life doesn't  stop still  just because  there are                 
  deadlines and  statutes.   There were  very few  differences                 
  this year in  the operating budget, but technical  errors do                 
  occur.  Another  issue was that  bringing the budget out  in                 
  December gives the public notice,  not just the legislature.                 
  If  they  were  not  allowed  to  make any  changes  between                 
  December and January, it would give a message that "we don't                 
  care what the  public tells  us about what's  in the  budget                 
  proposal."  She didn't anticipate lots of changes, but minor                 
  adjustments  may  be needed  and it  wasn't  a good  idea to                 
  preclude  those  from  being  made.   She  acknowledged  the                 
  governor had opportunity to provide amendments to the budget                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  proposal.   MS. MCCONNELL  believed there  were things  that                 
  they  could work  out  that would  deal  with the  technical                 
  concerns and timing issues  the Legislative Finance Division                 
  may have with preparation of  their books.  It was  also her                 
  hope  that  if there  was  going  to be  a  requirement that                 
  anytime something was  presented that full  back-up material                 
  be  there, it would  also apply to the  court system and the                 
  legislature.  She  noted there were currently  projects from                 
  the  legislative  branch that  had  no  back-up  and it  has                 
  created  problems  trying  to see  whether  things  have met                 
  appropriation requirements.                                                  
                                                                               
  MS. MCCONNELL summarized  her remarks  by noting there  were                 
  improvements that could be made in addition to other changes                 
  in the executive  branch that would  be warranted.  She  was                 
  willing to work  with the  committee to  improve the  budget                 
  process.                                                                     
                                                                               
  VICE-CHAIR PHILLIPS asked if there  was further testimony on                 
  SB 136.  There being none, he stated the bill would be held.                 
  SENATOR PARNELL asked to take up the amendments he described                 
  earlier.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL MOVED  Amendment #1.   SENATOR ADAMS  stated                 
  for  clarification  that it  was  a simple  change  from the                 
  current 60 days to  45 days.  SENATOR PARNELL  affirmed that                 
  was  correct.  He added that, according to his understanding                 
  from  the  Legislative Finance  Division,  when  the session                 
  deadline was established  at 120 days, the  budget amendment                 
  deadlines were not changed.  There  was no objection, and so                 
  Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                    
                                                                               
  VICE-CHAIR PHILLIPS  inquired about  Amendment #2.   SENATOR                 
  PARNELL stated it had been withdrawn,  and that he wanted to                 
  hold  Amendment #3 until the next  meeting.  SENATOR PARNELL                 
  MOVED Amendment #4,  regarding the  date of the  performance                 
  report summary.   There being no objection, Amendment #4 was                 
  ADOPTED.                                                                     
                                                                               
  VICE-CHAIR PHILLIPS stated SB 136 would  be HELD to the next                 
  meeting.  He brought up SB 126 next.                                         
                                                                               

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